[MKOB] Fwd: Re: Meeting-Belgian Competition?

[Willis Brewer]

I think the reference beer is an excellent beer, even for main stream beers.
Kind of sets the stage for tasting.

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[mailto:mkob-announce-bounces at swampgas.com] On Behalf Of Ronald La Borde
Sent: 11/15/2007 11:11 AM
To: mkob-announce at swampgas.com
Subject: [MKOB] Fwd: Re: Meeting-Belgian Competition?

Yes, I plan to bring the Belgian beer.  I think Nick
Long will also be bringing his Belgian beer.

We can taste and comment, I really don't need the
judging event - heck, we all can taste can't we.

I really like your idea about having so many tastings
to help the judges.  Now we will also need judges to
judge the judging of the judges.  Whew, sounds better
and better all the time!

Ron
--- Marshall Williams <marshallw at attglobal.net> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:02:38 -0600
> From: Marshall Williams <marshallw at attglobal.net>
> To: mkob-announce at swampgas.com
> Subject: Re: [MKOB] Meeting-Belgian Competition?
> 
> Ron, this judging the judges sounds GREAT!  We will
> need to have several 
> reference beers to judge, of course.  Maybe 10 of
> each style.  Yummm!  
> And then there are so many styles we want to judge,
> we will need to have 
> several meetings of judges, like one a week at
> least.  Yaaaaayyyy!  Of 
> course, MKOB will need to sponsor (pay for) all of
> this.  And to avoid 
> any problems from overconsuming beer, they will need
> to provide dinner, 
> too.  I can see this all taking up several months of
> my life! 
> 
> I agree reference beers can help with judging
> whether it be critical 
> judging or casual judging.  And it can help when
> multiple styles are 
> being judged at the same time.  If we have more
> "contests" next year, I 
> think someone needs to be tasked with providing some
> reference samples.  
> Judging could be simplified to a basic 0 - 10 scale,
> or just continue to 
> use the score sheet method.  Personally, I think the
> scoresheet method 
> is better.
> 
> I am sorry the judging for tonight was canceled.  I
> love both Beligian 
> styles (but there are so many it would be hard to
> judge anyway) and 
> strong ale / barley wine styles.  If you have any
> that you were going to 
> have judged, bring them anyway and we can rate them
> informally if you like.
> 
> - Marshall
> 
> Ronald La Borde wrote:
> > Everyone has a different opinion about the
> methodology
> > of beer judging.
> >  
> > Even the almighty BJCP judging could be improved
> by
> > having a reference beer at each judging.  Memory
> is a
> > variable and inaccurate way to compare a beer that
> you
> > are tasting at the moment with the style standard
> you
> > think you remember. 
> >  
> > I always question why more people aren't bothered
> by
> > the lack of a reference beer at the judging
> process. 
> > Am I alone on this?
> >  
> > Now, for our little 'beer judging', Peter, I thing
> it
> > it wasn't really called a "beer contest". I can
> see
> > your point for a real competition or contest, but
> I
> > suppose our little 'beer judging' was really an
> excuse
> > to drink some different beers in fun. 
> >  
> > Here's another suggestion I throw over the fence
> to
> > see if any hungry tigers go after it:
> >  
> > How about judging the judges?  It would go like
> this:
> >  
> > Have a few standard reference beers and have the
> > judges rate them.  The judges that score the most
> > accurate ratings are given a judge multiplier
> number,
> > say from 0 to 10.  Now when the real beer judging
> > starts, the better judge's rating number carrys
> more
> > weight than a judge with a lesser rating number. 
> >  
> > So, if you have 4 judges, let's say, then the
> weaker
> > judge's score will be multiplied by his lower
> rating
> > number.  Now after all scores are tallied, the
> final
> > score is divided by the total of each judge's
> rating
> > number.  This way a lame judge can still have fun,
> > learn and judge, only his lame opinion will not
> matter
> > much. 
> >  
> >
> > Ron
> > Ronald J. La Borde -- Metairie, LA
> > New Orleans is the suburb of Metairie, LA
> > www.hbd.org/rlaborde
> >
> >
> >      
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Ron
Ronald J. La Borde -- Metairie, LA
New Orleans is the suburb of Metairie, LA
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